attn all vista beta pre release consumers not u ip pro

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0400, "AJR" wrote:
Do you get paid by the word?
8-)
Jonah

"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts
-- Buddha Bless You

See my reply on microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general
All the participants in the newsgroups on msnews.microsoft.com are volunteers and are either not microsoft employees or are ms employees on their own time. The link to 64bit Computing leads to a newsgroup that is for a platform that is not Vista and does not have Vista in its name. There may be other examples of someone picking these links without really seeing if the subject matter discussed in a newsgroup pertained to Vista.
The Vista Mail team may not have done a very good job in picking the ng's to list but the participants in the non-Vista ng's certainly are not prepared to give Vista help other than their own co-incidental participation in a Vista beta program entirely apart from the platform or application which their non-Vista ng supports. In many of these ng's very few are Vista savvy.
I have seen some of the replies to Vista users in these ng's and not all are tactful, but that is how it is with some who volunteer their time. It's true in this ng and it is true of your own post. Certainly there is no sort of training or preparation given by MS to newsgroup volunteers and it looks like a lot of people have been taken by surprise. There have been unwarrented assumptions of all kinds that have led to unkind comments. A good example in this ng are some replies to multiple postings caused not by stupidity, as some not using the web-based newsreader assume, but by the newsreader software. It is easy to jump to a conclusion if you fail to look into a problem before speaking.
"mikwiz" wrote in message

I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts
-- Buddha Bless You

I re-imbursed him.
"jonah" wrote in message

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0400, "AJR" wrote:
Do you get paid by the word?
8-)
Jonah
"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts
-- Buddha Bless You

First of all, try to be brief. Formatting the paragraphs. It helps us read and understand what you're saying. Use blank spaces between paragraphs. Keep it simple. If I have to spend 15 minutes to figure out what you're saying, I get bored and move on. I don't think I read through your entire posting.
Don't make us do the work for you, people help you out of kindness.
Hope this helps, Mario
"mikwiz" wrote in message
<Original post deleted>

-- Buddha Bless You

Have you tried "Winnie the Pooh." . . . Mario? It's a good read for you and has this very nice Pooh-Bear, and has all his friends in the forest. Just google "Winnie the Pooh" and you will be much happier than reading these awful worldly matters.
-- Buddha Bless You
"Mario Rosario" wrote:

First of all, try to be brief. Formatting the paragraphs. It helps us read and understand what you're saying. Use blank spaces between paragraphs. Keep it simple. If I have to spend 15 minutes to figure out what you're saying, I get bored and move on. I don't think I read through your entire posting.
Don't make us do the work for you, people help you out of kindness.
Hope this helps, Mario
"mikwiz" wrote in message
Original post deleted
-- Buddha Bless You

See, it's this type of response that's gonna work against you if you're looking for assistance here.
The less the sarcasm, the less the name calling, etc, the better the odds that someone will be willing to help you with any problems you may have.
That goes for everybody here.......
"mikwiz" wrote in message

Have you tried "Winnie the Pooh." . . . Mario? It's a good read for you and has this very nice Pooh-Bear, and has all his friends in the forest. Just google "Winnie the Pooh" and you will be much happier than reading these awful worldly matters.
-- Buddha Bless You
"Mario Rosario" wrote:
First of all, try to be brief. Formatting the paragraphs. It helps us read and understand what you're saying. Use blank spaces between paragraphs. Keep it simple. If I have to spend 15 minutes to figure out what you're saying, I get bored and move on. I don't think I read through your entire posting.
Don't make us do the work for you, people help you out of kindness.
Hope this helps, Mario
"mikwiz" wrote in message
Original post deleted
-- Buddha Bless You

HDRDTD schrieb:

See, it's this type of response that's gonna work against you if you're looking for assistance here.
The less the sarcasm, the less the name calling, etc, the better the odds that someone will be willing to help you with any problems you may have.
That goes for everybody here.......

....but not for the trolls;-)

"mikwiz" wrote in message

I will try to be brief.

What drugs did you do before this post?

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:02:30 -0400, "Tom Scales" wrote:

"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief.
What drugs did you do before this post?
I am on Vallium, dunno about the OP, Ez & whizz possibly?

8-)
Jonah

I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . .. Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts -- Buddha Bless You

and just why do you need to post this to every Vista newsgroup???
"mikwiz" wrote in message

I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts -- Buddha Bless You

uuuuuhhhh, because, possibly, all of the Newsgroups were invited to me by the "Windows Vista Mail Team"? And, I am not asking a question, as you might note, I am making a statement, which is a CHOICE in these Newsgroups for VISTA. So, how are you doing today, HD? I have an HD question for ya if your interested--seriously. BOT=best of thoughts mikwiz -- Buddha Bless You
"HDRDTD" wrote:

and just why do you need to post this to every Vista newsgroup???
"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts -- Buddha Bless You

Keep in mind that the odds favor the fact that probably most of the Vista users are reading the same group of Vista newsgroups and would see your message in whichever one you chose to put it in.
Posting the same mesage in every Vista newsgroup is a bit much.
By all means if you have a serious question, post it and we'll try to help.
"mikwiz" wrote in message

uuuuuhhhh, because, possibly, all of the Newsgroups were invited to me by the "Windows Vista Mail Team"? And, I am not asking a question, as you might note, I am making a statement, which is a CHOICE in these Newsgroups for VISTA. So, how are you doing today, HD? I have an HD question for ya if your interested--seriously. BOT=best of thoughts mikwiz -- Buddha Bless You
"HDRDTD" wrote:
and just why do you need to post this to every Vista newsgroup???
"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older forums/blogs/chats, et. all. LOL. Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE EXPLORED to some extent. Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for 64bit-XP-PROer's out there. Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop, with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista Capable" this past week (6/21/2006). I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by Dell/Vista Capable. I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta 2-64bit. This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . . etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories. BEWARE!!!! These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies, both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory. DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and Queen Victoria!!! Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems. Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail delivery a few days ago worked. Yes, there were a few problems, though. But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS. The devil is in the details though. My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card. My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card, but then again, the third time it didn't BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse! I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card. The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as: C___S____RS! Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today, struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private, individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" and ALL of their subvategories. Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer, to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid underneath. BOT=Best of Thoughts -- Buddha Bless You

Sweet, I finally was able to test the new Mail Newsgroups block list...Hopefully "2" will post again soon so I can block him also...

"mikwiz" wrote in message

uuuuuhhhh, because, possibly, all of the Newsgroups were invited to me by the "Windows Vista Mail Team"? And, I am not asking a question, as you might note, I am making a statement, which is a CHOICE in these Newsgroups for VISTA. So, how are you doing today, HD? I have an HD question for ya if your interested--seriously. BOT=best of thoughts mikwiz -- Buddha Bless You
"HDRDTD" wrote:
and just why do you need to post this to every Vista newsgroup???
"mikwiz" wrote in message I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . . . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware, etc.). We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge